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Post by Morg'th N'Throg on Mar 29, 2007 10:14:50 GMT -5
Ok, so I get the updates and crap that IE7 is out (I know it's been out awhile, I'm lazy) and I'm actually finally looking into biting the bullet and downloading it. I thought I would ask you all here because I consider you all pretty knowledgable and on the up and up in terms of this kind of thing. Now I'm not a computer idiot and I generally have an intermediate knowledge of this junk, but I ALWAYS like to have alot of suggestion and advice from alot of people I like and trust and you guys are on that list........... So............ Should I upgrade? Are there problems I should know about? Yes I use IE6. Morg'th N'Throg
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Post by Macaubre on Mar 29, 2007 10:19:48 GMT -5
Friends don't let friends use Internet Exploder.
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Post by Wrasse on Mar 29, 2007 10:42:53 GMT -5
Don't listen to Mac, he's a cranky old man who hates everything Microsoft. If Microsoft sold bottled water and it was the only type of refreshment available, Mac would dehydrate and die...all along the way to his demise, he'd cite many problems with the consumption of H2O and how we are all destroying our bodies by subjecting them to the evil that is dihydrogen monoxide! Anyway, I use both IE 7 and Firefox. Both bug me to some degree but I think the recent updates make the download worth it...if not for tab browsing alone which is new to IE. Just keep your auto-updates on for patches and you should be OK. Sorry I don't have too much to add but I believe both are great browsers and worthy of use.
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Post by Zeli on Mar 29, 2007 10:44:41 GMT -5
i use both IE7 and Firefox (although I'm mainly a firefox user) but I haven't had any problems with IE7.
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Post by Winin on Mar 29, 2007 11:06:15 GMT -5
I read that IE7 was higher security than Firefox when it first came out, but they both get updated so much, who knows. I use Firefox mostly, but I have IE7 and it is much better than 6.
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Post by Kaarenyth on Mar 29, 2007 11:53:22 GMT -5
I agree w/ Mac
I actually just built out my wifes PC w/ Linux to force her to stop using IE ;D
I've toyed w/ IE7 a couple of times, and some of the features are nice - but its just too darn buggy. In my opinion - grab Firefox 2, and IETab. Then you can use the IE Rendering engine for sites designed for IE (such as windowsupdate.microsoft.com - or other big MS Shops) but have the flexablity (and IMO Stability) of Firefox.
Now I'll say I'm sure I'll download IE7 again one day - but I've just seen too many issues w/ my day to day sites at the office to think they've got all the bugs knocked out of it just yet.
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Post by Morg'th N'Throg on Mar 29, 2007 12:19:11 GMT -5
Well, I flat out refuse to actually change browsers. lol In my opinion, the reasons microsoft stuff and PCs in general have so many security issues is, well, hackers and script kiddies write for the most used and widely popular target. Once the other browsers gain popularity to where it's worth attacking, you'll see more on 'em. Thanks so much for the input. I guess maybe later today I'll just bite the bullet and download it and pray. Hell, at least I could do a system restore if worse comes to worse. lol Thank you!! Oh and any more input is welcome... Morg'th N'Throg
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Post by Kaarenyth on Mar 29, 2007 13:03:01 GMT -5
Believe it or Not - It actually removes quite nicely ;D
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Post by Macaubre on Mar 29, 2007 13:51:41 GMT -5
and what about those zero day 'sploit! Can't trust the man. Stick it to them! There!
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Post by Macaubre on Mar 29, 2007 13:55:06 GMT -5
and that's evil. No need to go to that far end of the spectrum. Nevermind what Wrasse said; IE7 is OK I guess if you desactivate ActiveX. That's the evil part of IE. Without it, it is much more secure than with it.
On Firefox, I use NoScript addon, that allow me to have JavaScript disabled everywhere unless I want it on (for the sites I trust). It all depends on your level of paranoia. I was always really finiky of having sites that I visit execute code on my machine without my knowledge and while pretty and useful JavaScript can basically hose any good security...
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Post by Macaubre on Mar 29, 2007 13:57:51 GMT -5
That's a myth. Microsoft has pretty lousy security track record because heck, they didn't plan and made their software secure to begin with. Sure, you'll have more people hitting on the popular programs, but if you're program is secure and correctly written, you won't have holes in it that gets exploited.
Now, I should try to read a complete thread before answering, I wouldn't need to spam the site with my answers.
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Post by Kaarenyth on Mar 29, 2007 14:41:41 GMT -5
Why Thank you Nah - She's been mooching my rig for a while - and we always fight about it when we need it so I broke out some old gear and set her up. I'm pretty law abiding and a big Linux Fan, so I downloaded a free distro ( fedoraproject.org) and ran the installation. She doesn't care she just needs her e-mail and a web browser. And it gives me a good place to sharpen my Linux Skills away from the office where I can break things
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Post by Macaubre on Mar 29, 2007 14:50:34 GMT -5
I'm a UNIX systems administrator since 1992. I'm defacto anti-Microsoft, but Linux on the desktop still sucks and I'm still using Windows XP SP2 as my desktop machine at home (fedora core 6 at work). While I'd agree that for mail and web browsing, Firefox and Thunderbird on Linux or Windows is pretty much the same thing, the day will invariably come when your wife/girlfriend will want to run "Excel" or that thing called "Word" and you'll say "you can't on Linux"... Heck, even stuff like iTunes and an iPod.
While possible to run all these with solutions like Wine it's not like running the real thing. And its still a hack.
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Post by Kaarenyth on Mar 29, 2007 15:00:55 GMT -5
Wine and Cross over go miles (I run crossover for outlook access to our exchange environment personally) - but I've found that www.openoffice.org does a fine job for spreadsheet/word processing for any normal user - and the slide application I like much more the power point! I even have these running on my MS box because I like it so much - no project portability (though on Gnome there is a pretty decent but way behind the ball app).
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Post by Morg'th N'Throg on Mar 29, 2007 15:11:42 GMT -5
I don't bother to surf much. I visit certain sites and that's it. I usually have 2-4 browsers open depending on what's going on. I don't feel a need to go around the net looking at a bunch of crap I don't need or anything like that. I hang out on 2-3 forums (OW, this one and the Blagtoof one), I check Mythic's W.A.R. site, W.A.R. Herald and Blizzard's WOW site while my account is still active. Other than that....I'm really not a huge surfer. I'm not to terribly sure I need to worry so much about going to "dangerous sites" as I really am too paranoid to go looking for sites anymore. Too many years online, too many times watching buddies getting burned by "aw man I clicked this link I searched for and got nailed!" My main concern with IE7 is I don't feel like having the update screw with my system or worse...blow it up. It's fresh, less than a year old, clean and I like to keep it that way. Hmmm...maybe I'll try it on my crappylappy first!! Muahahahaha!!! Morg'th N'Throg
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